Tuesday, February 19, 2019

Notes On Mediumwave Loops And Wire Antennas

The following comments pertain to mediumwave reception.

I've constructed many loops here, both passive-tuned and hard wired for the DSP radios.

A question arose recently asking what is the equivalent air loop size to a 200mm (8 inch) length ferrite? Speaking from experience, I'll submit an educated guess and say the rough passive-tuned loop equivalent is an approximate square loop of 8-9 inches.

I've built smaller loops, on the order of 6 inches. They produce a signal strength about equivalent to the existing ferrite in a Tecsun PL-380, which is just shy of 4 inches long. The problem I've had with the really small loops of that size is that the nulling is pretty poor. The figure-8 pattern is not well-defined.


I have a hacked Tecsun PL-380 with the ferrite removed, and also an Eton Traveler 3 with the ferrite removed. I soldered wire leads in place and brought them out the tops of the radios for testing hard wired loops. I use micro-clips for all connections here for testing.

Two loops are currently in use here: an 8 inch and an 18 inch. Both are square loops, close-flat-wound with insulated telephone wire, about 24 gauge solid. The 8 inch has 26 turns and the 18 inch has 12 turns. If you wind a 12 inch loop, use 16 turns.

Both the 8 inch and 18 inch give good hard-wired results. Of course the 18 inch blows the doors off the 8 inch, and is the better nuller. You don't need a 5:1 step up transformer for impedance matching. Use the fully-wound loop. Inductance for both these loops is ballpark around 240 µH. I've found that is a good value to shoot for.

I will say, be careful if hard-wiring directly to the input of the DSP radios. They are very sensitive to static. I haven't blown one out yet, but I've come close. Any static or spike on the line when clipping to the chip will send it into desense for a few minutes, even if off. It eventually recovers, at least mine have so far.

At night, the PL-380 handles an 18 inch hard-wired loop pretty well without overloading. Not so much the Eton Traveler 3. Its sensitivity is a touch better than the PL-380, and otherwise will occasionally overload. A 12 inch loop might be a better bet for the Traveler 3. You shouldn't have any overload trouble with the 8 inch loop.


Both 8 inch and 18 inch loops can be made passive and tuned with a 365 pF variable capacitor very nicely. The 18 inch ranges out nicely from 530-1700 KHz without further attention. The 8 inch only tunes to about 1430 KHz, so I jumper a clip wire across a few turns to get to 1700 KHz.

The advantage of the passive-tuned loop is that you can reduce the coupling by moving the loop a bit farther away from the radio, thus reducing the signal overload problem.

As others have stated, coupling a passive-tuned loop to a modern DSP chipped radio can be finicky because the radio gets de-tuned by the loop, then it re-tunes, then the loop is upset again. I have best results by coupling the passive loop off the end of the radio's ferrite. The tuning interaction is less. As so:


These DSP radios will start to overload much above 80 or 90 dBµ on the RSSI meter. Incidentally, the Eton Traveler 3 measures to 99 dBµ but the PL-380 only measures to 63 dBµ.

Remember, an RSSI reading of 34 dBµ is the equivalent of the old S-9 on vintage receivers us hams remember. 50 microvolts to the input = S-9. 34 dBµ also = 50 microvolts on these radios. A respectable signal. 80 dBµ is huge and it's not surprising this can cause overload.

Also, consider that the induced voltage in a loop increases linearly with the number of turns, the area of the loop, and the frequency. An 8 inch loop has nearly twice the voltage output as a 6 inch loop. Area 64/36 = 1.77 times the output. An 18 inch loop has more than twice the voltage output of a 12 inch loop. Area 324/144 = 2.25 times the output.

Here's a curious tuning tip that may not be apparent at first. It requires two DSP radios. Hard-wire a square loop to the first DSP radio (ferrite removed). This DSP radio tunes the loop in place of a 365 pF variable capacitor if you don't have a spare, sort of a "digitally tuned passive loop". Couple this loop inductively to the second, unmodified DSP radio like you normally would. Now you can accurately tune the passive loop by reading the frequency on the first DSP radio. Overkill, yes. But an interesting hack.

Bottom line on building a very small loop - 8 inches would be a minimal size for any appreciable gain.


I was all-in for awhile with the hard-wired loop, connected directly to the DSP's front end. The DSP chip tunes the coil just like the ferrite. What more could you want?

The problem here, again, is potential overload. These little DSP radios are not bullet-proof like the table-tops of the old days. An 18 inch or larger hard-wired loop produces massive un-tuned signal to the front end of the radio across the entire mediumwave band. The key word here is "un-tuned". You are relying solely on the DSP's existing circuitry to differentiate massive signals across a wide range of spectrum. Hard-wired loops above a certain size invite overload. We seem to crossover into this territory above the 12 inch range.

Hard-wired loops are great in quiet locations, especially for long distance daytime DX. Nighttime is a different story, as signal strengths can equal urban levels even without the loop-assist. You must find a way to incorporate selectivity to reject or lessen that which you are not interested in.

To summarize, using a passive tuned-loop and coupling inductively gives you two additional important advantages over the hard-wired loop:

1. A double-tuned front end. A tuned-loop has selectivity itself and its passband will essentially only present that large signal on the channel to which it is tuned.

2. The ability to decouple the loop from the radio by moving it farther away is sort of a poor man's RF gain control. If the radio is still overloading, move the loop away a bit.

An additional option to the passive-tuned loop is the successful FSL or Ferrite Sleeve Loop antenna. It is compact. If tuned with a variable capacitor, it will reject off-channel signals, lessening front-end overload as it serves as a double-tuned front end again. And it is directional of course. The C.Crane Twin Coil 200mm ferrite has similar qualities, a double-wound ferrite loop with a signal peaking ability.


This applies not only to open air loops but to ferrite loopsticks as well. Rotating the loop off the station "peak" varies the induced signal voltage according to the trigonometric sine of the angle away from the peak. At 30 degrees off peak you have reduced the signal pickup by half the voltage (50%). At 45 degrees, 70% reduction. At 60 degrees, 86% reduction. At 90 degrees, theoretically 100% reduction, or zero signal. Now, we all know that 100% reduction is generally not theoretically obtainable, but sharp loops do come close.

The image above depicts the signal pickup for various angles of the signal arrival in relation to the side of the ferrite loopstick. Note that at only 30 degrees off the zero null the signal has increased to 50% of its full value. Passive box-type loops react exactly the opposite. Full signal occurs end-on to the loop instead of broadside.


Paul S., in Connecticut, who participates in the UltralighDX group, has some great tips on winding the ferrite coil:

The older and later 'pocket radio' designs were both made with a mix of price and quality. Older designs had weaker transistors/tubes and needed a high quality ferrite coil winding. A pocket model of the 60's had better transistors and could be made physically smaller, the circuit would compensate for the smaller ferrite rod.

Nonetheless, both designs are not optimum, as the most recent studies have shown. I refer to Ben Tounge's (of Blonder-Tounge Radio/TV) Article #29 at his namesakes website. I also note that there were mathematical errors in popularly published catalogs of ferrite material.

So what is a near optimum design one might ask?

1.) Keep the ferrite bar at least 10 times its diameter for nulling properties.

2.) Try to keep the coil winding between 1/2 and 1/3 of the ferrite bar length.

3.) Space the coil winding 3x the wire diameter (in typical designs its usually 2x the diameter). For example #30 gauge wire of 0.01" diameter is wound at 0.03" instead of the typical 0.02". This removes some "proximity effect" especially when many turns are involved.

4.) The wire diameter itself has to be minimized to reduce the "Skin Effect". This seems counter-intuitive because thin wire has more resistance per foot (meter). But, that's DC resistance... we are looking to reduce AC (AM radio signal) resistance. Such AC resistance gets larger when very little current flows in the center of the wire: the smaller diameter wire "saturates" the wire better, with more AM radio signal current flowing in the center of the wire.

5.) Because of #3 and #4 above, a single wire of small gauge (say #30 or better yet #32) can be wound upon the ferrite bar. However, the best choice is still Litz wire based upon #46 gauge strands. Its more expensive, and you do get what you pay for. I will also say that one would be surprised at how good a single #32 wire (0.008") spaced at 0.024" is.

6.) Using a single wire, one can wind directly on the ferrite bar (most of this 'magnet wire' is insulated), but most prefer using a layer of heat-shrink tubing over the ferrite bar.

So, in recap, the older radios got the wide spacing right, and the newer ones got the small gauge wire right, but neither got both right. One thing not mentioned in most commercial radio designs is the actual inductance of this ferrite bar antenna. I do know that some designs are intentionally high up to 700µH for Sony's in the 60's-70's. Modern DSP designs need 350-500uH, and can use short bar lengths (re: small wire diameter).


Paul S. in CT

Thanks for the tips, Paul.


Loops in general are directional and have many advantages over simple wire antennas, should you have a radio which you can attach a wire antenna to. The non-DSP Sangean ATS-909X, the C.Crane EP Radio Pro, and Tecsun PL-880 are three which allow direct connection of wire antennas.

I find directly-connected (or inductively-coupled) horizontal short wire antennas for either DSP or non-DSP radios to be somewhat useless on the mediumwave band. Note, I am talking about SHORT wire antennas. Longer wires, and the longer the better, are preferred to the short variety. By longer, we are talking 200 feet or better. By short, I generally mean about 50 feet or less.

The Beverage antenna or "wave antenna" is a very long wire receiving antenna mainly used in the low frequency and medium frequency radio bands, invented by Harold H. Beverage in 1921. It's routinely run about six feet off the ground and may or may not be terminated at the far end with a resistor directly to ground. It has massive signal gathering ability and is also somewhat directional. A variety of Beverage, the BOG antenna (Beverage On Ground) has the same attributes going for it, laid directly on the ground. Neither are generally tuned, but can be. Beverage antennas work best if their length approaches a full wave or greater.

Another option is the flag or otherwise large-sized, single wire rectangular loop antenna. It may be 20 ft. tall by 50 feet long or larger. It is directional, and characteristically very quiet as loops are. It can be tuned as well. It has excellent performance.


Lastly, a different option than the rest is the vertical antenna, an antenna poo-pooed by many but one which I've had many successes throughout a 55 year radio hobby. As a ham, over my active years I used verticals on the HF bands to work stations world-wide using only flea power at times. Using a simple vertical, I have worked long-path propagation from Denver to Sweden over the Pacific and Indian Oceans using CW (Morse) for example, a distance of some 19,000 miles. Their low angle take off is exceptional. But what about mediumwave?

Believe it or not, they are also useful for mediumwave reception. After all, the vertical is used by mediumwave stations to transmit!

The key to the vertical in all situations is matching it properly through a balun transformer of some kind. This will enable maximum signal (voltage) transfer to the receiver. It doesn't have to be tuned, just matched. I use a 25 ft. vertical here, matched through an RF Systems Magnetic balun, essentially a 9:1 transformer. 50 feet of coax is run from the RF Systems balun to the inside of the house. Coupling to the receiver is done inductively. Wind 15-20 turns of insulated wire around a 4 inch ferrite bar and connect to the coax, one side to center and one side to ground. Position the 4 inch ferrite near the radio's internal ferrite. The resultant increase in signal pickup is astounding.

A 25 foot vertical seems short for the mediumwaves, but its signal output is as good or better than a 48 inch passive-tuned loop. If there is a drawback it's that it is omni-directional versus the passive loop. However this can be advantageous for certain types of bandscanning. Park on a frequency for several hours while you are doing something else and you will hear the fade up and down of several stations. You will get to know the relative signal strengths of each over the long term listening period.

Also going for it is its same-plane alignment to the transmitted signal (vertical). The short horizontal wire antenna is 90 degrees to the mediumwave signal's polarization plane and perhaps even 180 degrees end-on or 90 degrees broadside to the station as well. A 20 dB or greater difference in signal strength can be realized in the vertical over the horizontal wire antenna. 20 dB is an increase of more than three times the signal pickup voltage.

Note that groundwave reception, even over extreme distances during daytime hours, is virtually in the vertical plane at all times. Nighttime skywave varies, but hardly less than 30 degrees off of vertical even at extreme distances. You can prove this yourself using your portable radio with internal ferrite loop antenna. At night, tune to a medium to strong distant station. Tilt the radio from horizontal towards vertical and the signal will be reduced dramatically as you approach the 45 degree point. The effect will be less-pronounced for stations closer than about 300 miles which have a higher angle arrival.

Much mediumwave fun can be had through experimenting with different antennas. Give it a try.


Steve Sybesma said...

This is incredibly interesting. So you're saying Litz wire composed of 46 gauge strands, not just a single strand wire of that diameter, correct? So I was wanting to build a long wire antenna of at least 200' (actually going over 500' was my original plan so I could get a full wavelength near the top of the broadcast band). What actual wire would I use for that (how many 46 gauge strands)? I need a really good antenna that covers 1.7 to 30 MHz and plan to use a good antenna tuner.

Steve Sybesma
Brighton, CO


Hi Steve,

Yes, for ferrite windings Paul suggests Litz of 46 gauge strands (multi strands). Of course for a long wire, use any wire convenient, not Litz wire. Stranded or solid copper wire preferably. When winding box loops, I have good luck with 4 conductor telephone cable which is about 24 gauge. Strip 25 ft. of telephone cable and you get 4x 25 or 100 ft. of 24 gauge wire.


Steve Sybesma said...

Given they are insulated, do the individual strands of the Litz wire act almost like individual antennas?

Does the dB combine at the end where it's soldered together?

If it works that way I would happily spend the money as opposed to un-insulated strands where the signal stays mostly on the outer edges of the wires.

I'm not on a budget, so let's say if you wanted to build the best performing long wire, what kind of wire would you use?


Hi Steve,

For the details and properties of Litz wire you might look up Gary DeBock on the Ultralight DXing group on and read the posts on that subject. He has developed the Ferrite Sleeve Antenna or FSL and has quite a bit more knowledge than me of Litz and it's properties with ferrite. Basically the idea of Litz wire is to reduce the skin effect of current running on the outside of a single wire diameter. By using many strands, each strand carries current throughout the totality of the wire. Personally I have a simpler mindset about antenna building and use whatever is available. I'm an old time ham from the early 1960s.

On the longwire, use the largest diameter copper wire possible (the smallest gauge in #). Insulated or not, it doesn't matter as long as you keep uninsulated wire away from conducting objects. #24 telephone wire will work but is a little slim for a longwire. Anything from 12 gauge to 20 gauge would be OK. Best results will be had by running the antenna through some sort of matching device or tuner to the radio. People's disappointment in antenna performance often stems not from the antenna but from the mis-match to the receiver. In the winters in Arizona I run a 25 ft. vertical on the AM broadcast band, matched with an RF Systems magnetic balun, and it blows the socks off anything else I have.


Steve Sybesma said...

Hello Bill,

I appreciate all the detail you provided and my focus has changed because of it.

One subject I don't know anything about is baluns.

I don't know of a quick guide to tell me what is best to use.

Is there some measurement to look for that works better with certain frequencies?

Thanks again!



Hi Steve,

Which receiver or receivers are you wanting to connect a longwire to? The whole balun thing might be irrelevant depending.


Steve Sybesma said...

Currently I have a CCRadio-SW but I plan on buying several new radios including the Eton Elite Satellit when it comes out in July.


Hi Steve,

Not sure of your listening interests, whether they are shortwave or AM broadcast or? I see the CCRadio SW has an external AM/SW antenna connector. I'd try a direct connection to a longwire first. It may be all you need. Experiment.

Good or even better results can sometimes be had with other matching devices like an antenna tuner which will also do the matching something like a balun would. MFJ has quite a few which can be used for simply tuning odd lengths of wire. Google will produce many results for antenna tuners. They can be made pretty simply with a variable capacitor and some hand wound coils.

Try not to overthink this but experiment and see what gives good results.

For AM broadcast DXing I prefer inductive coupling right into the radio's own ferrite antenna. Matching is pretty well taken care of then and good signal transfer is also accomplished, and often without the overloading that occurs when directly connected by some form or another.

An example of a 9:1 impedance transformation balun can be found at

Rather than a balun, this is really what they call an "un-un" as it transforms between unbalanced input (the longwire) to unbalanced output (the coax input of the radio). This circuit is actually the same circuit as the RF Systems magnetic balun I have. It takes a high impedance (the longwire) and transforms it by a 9:1 ratio down to a lower impedance (usually the radio's input connector). Note that radios with external longwire posts like your CCRadio SW may already be set up for high impedance input. It depends on the input circuitry used in the radio.

Be careful directly connecting wire to any of these radios. Modern chip electronics is not so forgiving as the old tube stuff from my generation. I have fried several radios with static discharge.




Inductive coupling to a radio's ferrite loop can easily be done.

Find an old piece of ferrite bar or rod and close-wind 15-20 turns of insulated wire on it. Ground one end to the earth and connect the other end to the longwire. Then couple the ferrite bar/rod to your radio's ferrite antenna. You can even run it through a length of coaxial cable, though better results will be obtained by using the 9:1 balun where the longwire connects to the end of the coax (outside).

My 25 ft. vertical is set up that way. Picture the vertical as a simple end fed longwire (fed at the bottom and insulated from the ground). It is attached there to the 9:1 balun and through the balun to the coaxial cable. The 50 ft. coax cable runs to the inside of the house where the center and shield of the coax is connected to the 15-20 turn winding around that spare piece of ferrite bar/rod.

Sensitivity can then be adjusted by the closeness of the coupling to the radio.

Be aware, most of these radios are easily overloaded by excessive signal. It shouldn't take much of a longwire to do that.


Steve Sybesma said...

Thank you for the link. My listening interests are MW to SW. So, the low end of AM to the high end of HF is what I would like to set up for. I have listened recently to SW stations I was able to pickup that are in the 5-6 MHz range.

I was looking at some Palstar tuners that have the Pi configuration with two continuous, fine-tuned variable caps and one continuous, fine-tuned variable inductor.

I'd like to buy a nice one that would work well with a longwire.

I'm not too confident in assembling very much on my own but prefer to buy something that works very well.

Steve Sybesma said...

I googled "9:1 magnetic balun" and see that these can be purchased, actually.

So now I'm getting more interested being there are pre-made solutions.

I understand from the blog these should ideally be mounted close to the ground with a short wire going to the ground rod.

If I do use an ATU with that, I suppose that can't do anything but help.

What I don't understand though is how the balun works. I understand it helps match the impedance between the long wire and the coax coming into the back of the ATU. What I need to understand better is the value of matching impedence. Just trying to get a condensed idea of this. What is the result of good matching vs. bad matching?


Hi Steve,

The Pi type tuners work quite well for longwires. I used to have a homemade one which I used for years on the ham bands for both transmit and receive. That style can match about anything.

MFJ's page for their tuners is here:

Though essentially they are mostly for ham use, they will work for receiving as well of course.

Yes, an ATU will have the additional advantage of giving you some bandpass or signal peaking as well as matching, so they could be used in conjunction with a 9:1 balun.

Grove Electronics (they also published the magazine Monitoring Times years ago) used to sell quite a few receive tuners. I have the TUN-4 which is quite nice and will tune from below the AM band to 30 MHz. You can often find these and the others on eBay. Here is the old Grove catalog:

I usually grounded my 9:1 balun at the one end. I'm not so sure it made a huge difference overall, but for static discharge sake I did it.



Hi Steve,

A balun is merely an impedance transformer, transforming one impedance to another. Impedance is the net vectorally-combined resistance and reactance of an AC or RF circuit at a certain frequency.

Maximum signal is transferred (and I might add with minimum distortion) if the impedance is matched between input and output of a circuit. Not sure how old you are but in the old days of Hi Fi the audio enthusiast always made sure his speakers were matched to the stereo's speaker output. If the stereo had an 8 ohm speaker connection, you made sure you used 8 ohm speakers, not 16 or 32 ohm speakers. Maximum signal would be transferred to an 8 ohm speaker, and also as important, minimum distortion would result.

The same is with radio and antennas. Typical longwire antennas might have an inherent impedance in the neighborhood of 450 ohms, or more. Old radios which had a single antenna post for a longwire usually made sure that the input was designed around 450 ohms. The coax inputs or mini-jack inputs of most receivers are usually designed around an input impedance of about 50 ohms. If we connect a longwire to one of these inputs we are creating a series circuit of 450+50 or 500 ohms at the input with our "tap" at the 50 ohm point above ground. Ohm's law tells us that we are only getting 50/500 or one-tenth the signal available from the longwire. This is remedied by the impedance matching transformer or by the antenna tuner. Properly matched, we get the full signal off the longwire.

In the ham radio world, good matching is even more important when transmitting to an antenna. A poor match results in the antenna reflecting some or most of the power right back at the transmitter. These reflections also exist on receiving antennas when mis-matched.

Some radios seem to be a little more tolerant of antenna mismatch, some not. I have the SDRPlay RSP1a SDR receiver here and I find it not tolerant at all of antenna mis-match. Many radios, however, will respond favorably by hooking up any sort of wire to them.

Hope that explains it a little better.


Steve Sybesma said...

EXCELLENT explanation. I'm 58 and still was not aware of what it meant to match the impedance and why that's important. Tremendous amount of signal loss if you don't in some cases. So I will buy a 9:1 magnetic "unun" to attach the long wire to.

Does it make any difference if the coax is 75 ohms rather than 50 ohms and if I wanted to match to exactly 75 ohms, what should I do?

The other question is at the radio end. If the radio's input is 50 ohms and the coax is 75 ohms (RG-6), anything to be concerned about?


Hi Steve,

For receive purposes, using 75 ohm coax instead of 50 ohm won't matter much. I've used 75 ohm TV cable for years for receiving on the HF bands - 30 MHz and below. Transmitting or VHF/UHF work would be a different story. The 75 ohm to 50 ohm mis-match is a 1.5:1 mis-match, which coincidentally is also a 1.5:1 SWR (Standing Wave Ratio) in the ham radio transmitting world. That's usually about at the edge of acceptability for transmitting in the HF range.

The impedance transformation of 450 to 50 ohms is a 9:1 ratio of course. It is based on the windings ratio and is equivalent to the square of the windings ratio. If the input side (the 450 ohm side) has 3 times the number of turns than the output side (the 50 ohm side), then the turns (windings) ratio is 3. 3 squared = 9, so the impedance transformation is 9:1.

For 75 ohms, you'd need an impedance transformation ratio of 6:1 (450/75). The square root of 6 is approximately 2.5, so you'd need a turns ratio of 2.5 from input to output. 10 turns to 4 turns would do it.

Understand that the 450 ohm figure for the longwire may vary greatly above or below this figure depending on the frequency you are receiving. In other words, the impedance presented at the end of the wire is frequency dependent. The original concept of a longwire was a wire of several wavelengths. Casually, someone throws an odd length of wire out a window and calls it a longwire. If your end-fed "longwire" is anywhere near one-quarter wavelength of the frequency being received, you probably are looking at an impedance of 20-75 ohms, not 450 ohms. An end-fed halfwave length of wire might present itself around 1000-2000 ohms. The point I'm trying to make here is that the 9:1 balun is there just to get you in the ballpark, matching-wise.